Showing posts with label Dimensions. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Dimensions. Show all posts

Tuesday, 11 December 2018

In Search of Space



  1. Nice to have Heisenberg on my side on the universalis of geometry crusade! I hope you are heading into a warm midwinter
  2. ..., Geometry and mathematics points us in the direction of what is important about how physical nature is. We are both agreed about that. But I differ in that I do not think that nature can be explained in terms of what is expressed geometrically and mathematically in physical nature. What I mean is that physical nature is a representation of a reality which exists beyond physics, beyond scalar values, angles, etc. As a representation, its nature requires to be understood in terms of the dimensionless reality which gave rise to it. 
  3. Have I referenced this article before?
      Pythagorean Triples and the Generation of Space
    It gives a lot of clues as to how I am thinking, and how I think scholars and divines thought about reality and the physical world in the third and second millennia BCE. 

    The weather here is much milder (in general at least) than is normal for this time of year. But we know from experience that full-on winter can slam into us at the drop of a hat! Thanks for asking.

How is it possible to derive anything from something which has no definition? With no definition, it contains (in potential) all things which might be defined. The principal goal of ancient cultures was to make things 'meet and agree'. A secondary goal was to establish rational relationships between things. Since Plato argued that 'one thing' lay behind the world of representation, that one thing had to come into a relationship with itself, if representations of such relationships were to come into existence. Does infinity have no size? As infinity, it has no size. But as *infinity as representation*, it may be any size, and may come to be in a rational relationship with itself (I'm thinking of Cantor's discovery that one infinity might be bigger than another).

  1. I wrote two or three papers on physics for George Shiber, back in 2016. We had some interesting discussion by email. The exchange broke down when he insisted that something (I forget what that something was) possessed an objective reality, and absolutely necessarily. I realised that he had no sense of the possibility that there is a transcendental aspect to nature, and the way it works. In another conversation, in 2017, the philosopher Adrian W. Moore exposed the same weakness by describing something as a ''deeply mathematical fact", as if mathematics had an existence above and beyond other aspects of reality. 
  2. My argument is that all we experience is some form of representation of the ur-reality, which is - at least directly - inaccessible to our understanding. All phenomena consists of such representations, and combinations of them. Mathematics is one such phenomenon, and another is geometry. The point of the post 'Pythagorean Triples and the Generation of Space' was to illustrate how the Pythagorean triples might have been understood in antiquity. They knew that the sides of the triangles were not commensurate with each other, but the squares were. Just minus space. Which pointed to another level of reality. 
  3. So yes, I'm with Heisenberg up to a point. I would however rephrase it as:

  1. "If nature leads us to mathematical forms of great simplicity and beauty—  they reveal a genuine feature of nature." What Heisenberg says about us not being able to help but think that they are 'true' is neither here nor there, and more or less meaningless. What we can conceive of limits our understanding. What is true is most often beyond our understanding. 
  2. There are many pointers to the nature of the ur-reality in mathematics and geometry. By using reciprocals for example, we can convert addition into multiplication, and subtraction into division. As a schoolboy I found this to be absolutely amazing, and I couldn't understand why it didn't strike anybody else in the same way. But most schoolboys are being trained in the art of being asleep for a lifetime, while apparently awake. The phenomenon is a pointer to the kind of relationships the ur-reality establishes with itself. Logarithmic functions are of course the inverse of exponential functions. Such a huge set of  clues as to how nature is structured! But all of it points to another place, where all things meet and agree.  

  3. Thomas Yaeger, December 11, 2018.



Friday, 16 February 2018

Pythagorean Triples and the Generation of Space




The traditional formulation of the theorem of Pythagoras is that the square on the hypotenuse of a right angled triangle is equal to the sum of the squares on the other two sides. This is the Greek formulation, but we know that some of the properties of Pythagorean triangles were known in earlier cultures, such as in Babylonia.

The triangles of most interest were those constructed using integral values, such as the 3,4,5 triangle. These values were commensurable, and not irrational.

If we consider this in terms of the construction of the version of the triangle constructed using the square values, we can see that it is not a geometrical figure in two dimensions at all, but a line, built out of the three squared values (9, 16, and 25), exactly 25 integral units in length, with the three sides subsumed into one dimension.

This understanding of the geometrical arrangement perhaps tells us something about the ancient perception of space, and why it exists.

There are several possible Pythagorean triangles which exist, all of which exhibit the same properties, but with different combinations of integral values.

There are 16 primitive Pythagorean triples with c ≤ 100:

(3, 4, 5)  (5, 12, 13)  (8, 15, 17)  (7, 24, 25)

(20, 21, 29)  (12, 35, 37)  (9, 40, 41)  (28, 45, 53)

(11, 60, 61)  (16, 63, 65)  (33, 56, 65)  (48, 55, 73)

(13, 84, 85)  (36, 77, 85) (39, 80, 89) (65, 72, 97)

Additionally these are the 29 primitive Pythagorean triples with 100 < c ≤ 300:


(20, 99, 101) (60, 91, 109) (15, 112, 113) (44, 117, 125)

(88, 105, 137) (17, 144, 145) (24, 143, 145) (51, 140, 149)

(85, 132, 157) (119, 120, 169) (52, 165, 173) (19, 180, 181)

(57, 176, 185) (104, 153, 185) (95, 168, 193) (28, 195, 197)

(84, 187, 205) (133, 156, 205) (21, 220, 221) (140, 171, 221)

(60, 221, 229) (105, 208, 233) (120, 209, 241) (32, 255, 257)

(23, 264, 265) (96, 247, 265) (69, 260, 269) (115, 252, 277)

(160, 231, 281)


All of these Pythagorean triples when squared, represent mathematical and geometrical constructions which do not exist in Euclidean space as geometries: they are lines existing in one dimension.

We tend to look at the phenomenon of Pythagorean triangles as just that: something which has practical usage, but no further implications for the nature of the world in which we live, or our understanding of it. This is not likely to have been the case in the ancient world, in which number was venerated as something belonging to the divine and knowledge of the divine. The triples meant something profound.

What might be the meaning of the existence of these triangles and their properties?

In antiquity, it was obvious to anyone interested in number, mathematics and geometry, that there were several aspects of the physical world that involved irrationality, long before it was possible to provide logical proof of such irrationality. One of these irrationalities was the relationship between the diameter and the circumference of the circle. We know that irrationality (understood as an absence of commensuration) was a major concern in antiquity, since the existence of it seemed to undermine the idea that the world was rational, and constructed by the divine on rational principles. In other words, the existence of irrational things served to undermine the idea that the world made sense, and that it was good.

What we understand as Pythagoreanism is actually a way of approaching the world and reality on the basis of number, mathematics and geometry. We have lost a grasp of this, particularly since the close of the ancient world. Pythagorean ideas are not the creation of Pythagoras in the sixth century B.C.E., but a range of ideas about the world, focussing particularly on numbers and geometry, and the puzzles which the study of these throws up (the Greek name for these puzzles is ‘aporia’). As such, these ideas and puzzles belong to any culture which chooses to address the divine in terms of how the universe is constructed. As already suggested, the Babylonians had a sense of this, though they were also interested in the practical applications. It is also the case that the inhabitants of Britain in the late Neolithic and the early Bronze Age had such a sense.

The engineer Alexander Thom surveyed many of the megalithic circles across Britain from the 1930s into the 1970s, and established that the circles were constructed on the basis of a number of different Pythagorean triangles, and that these circles were not in fact circular.  The circumferences of these circles were modified in order to make their lengths commensurate with the length of the sides of the underlying triangles.  These modifications testify to the contemporary idea in ancient times that the incommensurate nature of diameter and circumference shouldn’t be the case.

I’ve written elsewhere that Pythagoreanism, whether in the sixth century or long before, was a transcendentalist view of the world. Meaning that the world of physics and appearance in which we live, is not reality itself, but simply a presentation of it. And the presentation of it is, in a number of ways, crooked. So some aspects of physical reality are not rational. 

This does not mean that the ancient Pythagoreans were pitching themselves against the workings of the divine, but rather that they were trying to understand why what they saw, experienced and understood, was not rational. The answer was that their place of refuge was not reality itself, but a false representation of it.

In the physical world, they could therefore not expect rationality to be woven all through it. Thom identified the obsessive concern of the ancient Britons with whole numbers, and as a consequence (though this was not understood at the time he was studying the megaliths), we know that they were looking to a world beyond the puzzles and paradoxes, in which the relationships of one thing to another were rational in nature.

The theorem of Pythagoras, however it was articulated in the late Neolithic and the early Bronze Age, provided the answer to this. The relationship between the sides of a 3, 4, 5 triangle is irrational in nature, but by squaring the sides, the result is rational and commensurate. This would have been understood to point to a world which transcended space, in that it indicated a one-dimensional reality.

 In that world, some things which are incommensurate here,  were commensurate. Which they might have taken to indicate that, beyond that limited form of reality, there was another reality with no dimensions at all, in which all irrational values existed as commensurate with one another.

Plato echoed a range of Pythagorean ideas in his work, including that reality itself exists in no particular place, has no form or shape or colour. He also suggested that forms existed beyond geometrical figures existing in space, and that these were to be accessed in the mind alone.

The Pythagoreans may have understood physical reality to have been generated as the square root of mathematical values in a higher reality. The resulting incommensuration would necessarily generate space. We could not possibly live in a reality which embraced only one dimension, or even none at all. In which case physical reality might have been understood by the ancient Pythagoreans as a compromise of sorts, which made it possible for mankind to live.

Tuesday, 23 February 2016

Physics and the Origins of the Universe (III)

This is the third in the series of posts on Physics and the Origins of the Universe, and contains a discussion of the Kaluza-Klein hypothesis, which is a hypothesis which brings Einstein's field equations together with Maxwell's equations for Electrodynamics. Its proposition, that there are five dimensions of space and time, not four, and that it is hard to characterise the fifth spatial dimension in terms of size, may point to the presence of a plenum beneath physical reality. 

The Plenum and its Properties (II)

How many dimensions are there? It depends on what you are doing and how many you need to describe and understand physical reality. The number will change according to what phenomenon is being explored.

We are accustomed to thinking that, for most of recorded history, the human race has made do with three dimensions of space, plus time, in order to make sense of the world. If we treat time as a dimension, that gives us four dimensions. Three separate dimensions in which things can exist, and in which they can move. And whether these things are motionless or moving, they are also moving through time, at the same rate, irrespective of whether they are travelling left or right, backwards or forwards, or up or down.

In fact four dimensions is an inadequate number to explain how the world of physical reality actually works, and how its component parts fit together. For the most part, our understanding of what physically exists is described in scalar and vector terms within four dimensions, because that seems to work. Most of the time. Unless you are working in Fermilab or CERN, where their descriptions of physical reality concern the quantum level of physical reality, and things are more complicated there. But even at the anthropic scale, sometimes four dimensions can be found wanting. A description is not an explanation, and some things are therefore not explained.

I will borrow a little from the Wikipedia article on the Kaluza-Klein theory, which has been described as a unified theory of gravitation and electromagnetism built around the idea of a fifth dimension beyond the standard four of space and time. The article describes how this five dimensional theory was developed, and breaks it down into three steps.

The original hypothesis came from Theodor Kaluza, who sent his results to Einstein in 1919,[1] and published them in 1921. Kaluza's theory was a purely classical extension of general relativity to five dimensions. The five-dimensional metric has 15 components. Ten components are identified with the four-dimensional spacetime metric, four components with the electromagnetic vector potential, and one component with an unidentified scalar field.

This extension to five dimensions for Einstein’s equations yields

 …the four-dimensional Einstein field equations, the Maxwell equations for the electromagnetic field, and an equation for the scalar field.

Now that is pretty interesting, and it is surprising that physicists were not falling over themselves at the time to understand the mechanics of this mathematical description which tied electromagnetic vector potential with Space and Time.

It would be intriguing to know what was in Theodor Kaluza’s mind when he came up with this five dimensional model, which involved an unidentified scalar field.  His model involved a hypothesis which is described as the ‘cylinder condition’, which means that

 that no component of the five-dimensional metric depends on the fifth dimension. Without this assumption, the field equations of five-dimensional relativity are enormously more complex.

In other words, the five dimensional model of physical reality has two potential states – one of which results in impossibly difficult field equations. The cylinder condition is the other state for the model, which results in relatively simple and intelligible equations.

The article suggests that

 standard four-dimensional physics seems to manifest the cylinder condition.

Which may be the case, or it may be that there is a fundamental problem with the five dimensional model, and that it is a conception which doesn’t reflect physical reality. Kaluza

… set the scalar field equal to a constant, in which case standard general relativity and electrodynamics are recovered identically.

Meaning that Kaluza knew how the equations should turn out, and he knew how to characterise the unknown scalar field in order for the equations to turn out correctly.

The second step in the development of Kaluza’s theory was a quantum interpretation, supplied by Oskar Klein in 1926. This to enable the theory to

accord with the then-recent discoveries of Heisenberg and Schrödinger. Klein introduced the hypothesis that the fifth dimension was curled up and microscopic, [my emphasis] to explain the cylinder condition. Klein also calculated a scale for the fifth dimension based on the quantum of charge.

The third step happened in the 1940s, when the classical theory was completed, and the
full field equations including the scalar field were obtained by three independent research groups

The introduction to the article concludes by saying that even under the cylinder condition the full Kaluza equations are quite complex, and that

The complete Kaluza equations were evaluated using tensor algebra software in 2015


Here is a section from the main body of the Wikipedia page. I can understand the concepts involved, but I’m not remotely competent to evaluate the equations.  I’ve left the links to the Wikipedia references intact. [this version of the document presents the Wikipedia text as graphics, so the links are not functional. The original article is at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaluza-Klein_theory]







I’ll pick out some parts of the text -

So far, this decomposition is quite general and all terms are dimensionless. Kaluza then applies the machinery of standard general relativity to this metric. The field equations are obtained from five-dimensional Einstein equations, and the equations of motion are obtained from the five-dimensional geodesic hypothesis. The resulting field equations provide both the equations of general relativity and of electrodynamics; the equations of motion provide the four-dimensional geodesic equation and the Lorentz force law, and one finds that electric charge is identified with motion in the fifth dimension.

It has been an objection to the original Kaluza hypothesis to invoke the fifth dimension only to negate its dynamics. But Thiry argued that the interpretation of the Lorentz force law in terms of a 5-dimensional geodesic mitigates strongly for a fifth dimension irrespective of the cylinder condition. Most authors have therefore employed the cylinder condition in deriving the field equations.

…It shows that the electromagnetic field is a source for the scalar field. Note that the scalar field cannot be set to a constant without constraining the electromagnetic field. The earlier treatments by Kaluza and Klein did not have an adequate description of the scalar field, and did not realize the implied constraint on the electromagnetic field by assuming the scalar field to be constant.

In the Kaluza theory, the gravitational constant can be understood as an electromagnetic coupling constant in the metric. There is also a stress-energy tensor for the scalar field. The scalar field behaves like a variable gravitational constant, in terms of modulating the coupling of electromagnetic stress energy to spacetime curvature. The sign of phi in the metric is fixed by correspondence with 4D theory so that electromagnetic energy densities are positive. This turns out to imply that the 5th coordinate is spacelike in its signature in the metric.

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So what are we actually looking at with this five dimensional model of physical reality? The theory unifies Einstein’s field equations, and Maxwell’s equations, and does appear to be describing physical reality, even if there are problematic aspects to it.

The fifth dimension is invoked, and then dismissed as a functional component in the model, which reduces it to a dimension on a par with the other four. But it is very small, and may be rolled up. It is practical to treat it as if it is on a par with the other dimensions, which is what physicists generally do. But ignoring the complexity the model may have beyond the cylinder condition – one of the two states of the model - doesn’t mean that it does not have this complexity, and that the fifth dimension does not have an important role in how the physical world functions.

It is possible that what has been identified in the course of the development of the theory is in fact the plenum, and not simply another dimension on a par with the other four.

Thomas Yaeger, 22 February 2016.